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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2017, 06:43:01 PM »
Drones for child molestation?  Report is at this URL:  https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/local/akron-schools-alerts-parents-about-suspicious-drone

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Couple says voice from drone tried to lure children away from Akron school playground
Published: October 11, 2017 - 10:19 AM | Updated: October 11, 2017 - 6:57 PM

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By Theresa Cottom
Beacon Journal staff writer

Since Monday, an Akron couple hasn’t seen the mysterious white drone flying over their house in the city’s Ellet neighborhood.

But just last week, they said a drone was trying to lure children — including their own — off of the playground at Windemere Community Learning Center, right next to their home.

Now, Akron Public Schools is warning parents about the possible suspicious drone flying around the school.

Windemere Principal Megan Lee-Wilfong sent a letter to families Monday saying a neighbor had reported a drone with “voice technology” talking to children who were playing on school grounds in the evenings and over the weekend.

“If you are allowing your child to come to school to play in the evenings or on the weekends, please make sure that he/she is accompanied by an adult. I know that children playing at school would seem safe, but without adequate adult supervision, anything can happen,” Lee-Wilfong wrote in the letter.

Lois and Michael M. — who didn’t want their last name printed for privacy reasons — said they reported the incident.

Michael M. said his kids are at the playground nearly every day. Two weeks ago, his two 13-year-old sons, Gavin and Jacen, said they started seeing a small white drone flying over the playground.

The kids said the drone talked to them in a computerized voice from what looked like a built-in speaker.

“It keeps saying ‘hey’ until you reply,” Jacen said.

The drone showed up sporadically above the playground multiple times two weeks ago. But last week, Gavin and Jacen said they saw the drone with their friends every day in the evening. Michael and Lois M. said they heard it, too.

Gavin and Jacen said their friends said “what” back to the drone, and the drone told them to follow it.

Michael M. said one of the children actually did. The child, one of Gavin’s and Jacen’s friends, started following the drone down the street to Dollar Tree, where the drone voice said it was going.

Michael M. said the child’s father happened to see him walking down the street and stopped the child before he got to Dollar Tree.

“He got lucky,” Michael M. said. “Who knows where he would be right now.”

After that, Michael and Lois M. reported the incident to the school on Friday. Lois said Lee-Wilfong “moved really quick,” addressing the issue when the school opened on Monday.

Schools spokesman Mark Williamson stressed that the drone has not been spotted during school hours and school officials have not seen it.

Akron police spokesman Rick Edwards said police haven’t received any complaints about a drone acting suspicious or talking to children near the school.

He urged people to contact authorities if they see a drone acting suspicious, but also noted that it’s not illegal to fly drones.

Beacon Journal staff writer Rick Armon contributed to this report. Theresa Cottom can be reached at 330-996-3216 or tcottom@thebeaconjournal.com. Follow her on Twitter @Theresa_Cottom.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2017, 11:29:32 AM »
People in Los Angeles are uncomfortable with drones in the hands of Big Brother:  http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/10/17/lapd-panel-drone-program/

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LAPD Board Could Approve Controversial Drone Program Tuesday
October 17, 2017 4:05 AM

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) – The civilian panel that oversees the Los Angeles Police Department will consider approving a drone pilot program Tuesday — several months after the department first presented what it called a limited plan to use the technology.

Approval of the program would come despite opposition from activists who consider the technology a threat to civil liberties, and after only 6 percent of the 1,675 emails the department received about the program were in support of it.

The Los Angeles Board of Police Commissioners held a meeting two weeks ago, when it approved the guidelines for the 1-year pilot program. Now, after posting the guidelines on the department’s website for two weeks and receiving more public feedback, the board is scheduled to vote on its final approval.

The commission first heard a presentation on the guidelines for the proposed LAPD program in August, and the department held four public meetings to get feedback.

A pair of Draganflyer X6 drones were given to the LAPD by Seattle in 2014, but they have never been deployed. Police Chief Charlie Beck said at the time that the drones could be used during tactical events such as manhunts and standoffs. But he also said the department planned to work closely with the American Civil Liberties Union to ensure the drones would not infringe on individual privacy rights.

The LAPD’s pursuit of a pilot program is a reversal of its policy after it abandoned the idea of using drones three years ago in the face of protests from activists.

According to the guidelines the LAPD commission approved, drones would be used in a limited capacity, including high-risk tactical operations, barricaded armed suspect responses, hostage rescues, and situations involving threats of exposure to hazardous materials and the need to detect explosive devices.

The drones would not be weaponized or used during surveillance, and their use would have be approved on a case-by-case basis.

The Los Angeles City Council cleared the way in June for the city’s fire department to begin using drones. A Los Angeles Fire Department report addressed the issue of privacy concerns and said the devices would not be used to monitor or provide surveillance for law enforcement.

In July, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Civilian Oversight Commission voted 5-4 to call for the grounding of the LASD’s drone program, although Sheriff Jim McDonnell said the program would continue.

Members of the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition, the Drone-Free LAPD/No Drones, LA! Campaign, the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California and other civil rights organizations have been vocal about their opposition to the program over concerns that “mission creep” will lead to the devices one day being armed or used for surveillance to infringe on privacy rights.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2017, 04:29:46 PM »
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2017, 01:54:57 AM »
Article on pending drone regulation down under:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-02/drone-stalking-several-women-in-port-lincoln-rural-community/9112926

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Drone stalking several women in rural Port Lincoln community part of growing list of UAV concerns
ABC West Coast SA
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[Go to URL to view photo] A hand-written sign stuck in a window reads: "I am filming you too, sucked in (censored)". Trees are reflected in the window.
PHOTO: One of the women who has seen the drone near her window has a clear message for its pilot. (Supplied: Anonymous)

A group of women living in a rural setting near Port Lincoln on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula have been woken at night by a drone looking into their homes.

Police are yet to find the offender, and some of the women have told the ABC they are living in constant fear of another visit which usually happens late at night or very early morning.

One of the women, who like the rest of the group did not want to be identified, was asleep and alone at home on her relatively remote hobby farm.

She was woken by a bang on her bedroom window and when she looked out into the darkness was confronted by a camera attached to a drone, hovering within centimetres of her window.

"I feel violated, feel it's intrusive and feel scared, intimidated," she said.
With a partner often away on a FIFO job, the 39-year-old says she is forced to keep her curtains drawn.

She has spoken of the profound changes that being stalked in this manner has brought to her previously peaceful life.

It is at the point where two of the stalked women no longer shower at night for fear of being filmed.

Another drone-stalked woman has told the ABC of the anxiety and panic she's now experiencing at night.

"You'll hear a noise and even if it's not a drone you just get paranoid," the 40-year-old said.

"It's got the point where I now sleep with a large wooden bat in my bed."
Local police have issued a warning that drones cannot be used at night and they cannot be within 30 metres of people.

They said complaints can be made on the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) website.

We asked if you thought Australia needed tougher drone laws. Read the discussion in the comments.
Inquiry foreshadows tougher laws

What is happening to the group of women is symbolic of a broader problem facing regulators of an emerging technology that has the potential to do incredible good and incredible harm.

Western Australian Labor Senator Glenn Sterle is chair of a Senate inquiry into drone usage.

While the committee is not due to report until December, Senator Sterle says it is inevitable there will be recommendations for much tougher regulation of drones.

"We've been inundated with examples of drones falling onto the Sydney Harbour Bridge, landing on cars, being used for surveillance through people's windows, zapping around public spaces," he said.

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PHOTO: Senator Glenn Sterle says it is inevitable there will be recommendations for much tougher drone regulation. (ABC Rural: Clint Jasper, file)

"There's been 170-180 interactions between aircraft around airports in the last 12 months. Hence it's been a rather interesting inquiry."

Among myriad concerns is the potential for a rogue drone operator to attack at a public event — given their ability to release potentially dangerous materials from a height.

"In the wrong hands what could that do over the MCG on a Grand Final day?" said Senator Sterle.

"Now I know it sounds alarmist but this is the sort of stuff that we as a nation should be absolutely forefront in our minds.

"We can't even tell who even owns these drones, that is the problem. There is no compulsory requirement that these things are identifiable."
Another issue is the potential use of drones by criminals to stake-out people's houses.

Corrective Services NSW has labelled drones an emerging issue, with a recent case at Lithgow prison in which a drone was caught on CCTV dropping what appears to be contraband.

Senator Sterle recognises the value of drones in the right hands.

"Firefighting, sea search and rescue and agriculture — no problem — we want to support that part of the drone requirements," he said.

"But by the same token we cannot put our hand over one eye and say 'she'll be right, nothing to see here, move along'."

CASA tightening up

One organisation receiving flak for the regulation, or lack of regulation, of drones has been the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

CASA spokesman Peter Gibson counters by saying the authority has recently toughened up drone regulations in response to community concerns.

He said Australia has been a world leader in drone safety regulation and CASA is running a complete review of drone safety rules which could see even tougher requirements.

"Get the balance right between protecting public safety, at the same time not in any way trying to put undue constraints on what is a growing industry in its own right," Mr Gibson said.
"People get a lot of fun out of flying their drones."

A similar argument for balance comes from Australia's peak body covering the operation of drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

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PHOTO: Police say drones cannot be used at night or within 30 metres of people. (ABC News: Giulio Saggin)
The president of the Australian Certified UAV Operators Association, Joe Urli, said it is not just a regulation issue for CASA, but for police and local councils.

"The sheer number of drones that are being imported and operating in Australia is increasing," he said.

"People are using them now to transport contraband into prisons and possibly weapons into prisons, so there's many areas that are affected by this technology."

Back on Eyre Peninsula, one of the drone-stalked women said she backs a tougher approach to an issue that has been deeply affecting her life.

"I just want to go back to not being scared in my own house anymore," she said.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2017, 12:54:15 PM »
Yeah: Make another law. That'll help.

Well, it would help, if the new law said that it was lawful to shoot or knock intruding drones out of the air.
(Australians still are allowed shotguns.)
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2017, 09:04:52 AM »
Yep daddy's old side by side will do the job.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2017, 03:07:22 PM »
CBS reports:  http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/11/07/drones-dropping-drugs-contraband-into-norcal-prisons/

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Drones Dropping Drugs, Contraband Into NorCal Prisons
November 7, 2017 6:57 PM

MILPITAS (KPIX) – Drones are becoming a growing concern among jail guards in Northern California. That’s because people may try to use them to smuggle in drugs.

Right now there’s no law banning drones flying over prisons, but Santa Clara County is worried about them making drug deliveries at the Elmwood Correctional Facility in Milpitas.

Jail guards figured drones have been delivering contraband at the sprawling 62-acre complex for some time but they did not have proof until now.

A month ago a small drone crashed inside the jail perimeter. Investigators said they found a package of meth on board.

Santa Clara County Supervisor Cindy Chavez learned about the drug drop on a recent tour and now wants the county to look into banning drone flights over the jail. She’s says she’s not anti-drone.

“No,” she laughs. “I’m anti methamphetamines being dropped into our jail. And I’m anti having knives and other weapons dropped into our jail.”

KPIX 5 wanted to see just how easy it is to pull off something like that and found it is easy to modify a drown for contraband deliveries.

After watching a few YouTube videos and gathering up some basic materials, it took KPIX less than 10 minutes to prep some fake contraband for flight.

In no time the package was mounted onto Skydrone 5 and was flying at an altitude of 400 feet above the ground, going 20 mph.

Some models can be controlled from miles away.

Chaves doesn’t think an ordinance is will stop somebody who really wants to get drugs into the jail.

“I do not, but I do think that we can have procedures for addressing that, and that’s what we’re going to be asking the staff to take a look at,” she said.

Mickey Osterreicher with National Press Photographer’s Association is one of the country’s leading authorities on drone laws. He says the FAA’s federal laws preempt any local ordinances.

However, any ban that Santa Clara County passes would likely stand, until someone challenged it in court. Osterreicher says the county could always modify an existing law, instead of writing one from scratch.

“I think if they look at whatever law they have against bringing contraband into a prison, I think they could probably modify those regulations somewhat, rather than create a technology specific one that specifically talks about the use of drones,” he says.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2017, 09:43:09 AM »
I guess I'm not very clever. I never would have thought of any of these uses for a drone.

Geez. What a planet.
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2017, 02:13:47 PM »
From the article: "...Chaves doesn’t think an ordinance is will stop somebody who really wants to get drugs into the jail..."

What? You mean that making a law won't stop crime?
Who would'a thunk it!

The simple solution to the problem is issuing tower guards with birdshot, and permitting them to shoot drones out of the sky.
But then, when did a bureaucrat ever think to adopt a simple solution to anything?
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2017, 01:26:08 AM »
ABC reports on Homeland warning:  http://abcnews.go.com/US/homeland-security-bulletin-warns-weaponized-drones-threat-aviation/story?id=51050621

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Homeland Security bulletin warns of weaponized drones and threat to aviation
By GENEVA SANDS  Nov 9, 2017, 7:33 PM ET
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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued an updated terror bulletin on Thursday highlighting the threat of weaponized drones, chemical attacks and the continued targeting of commercial aircraft.

"We continue to face one of the most challenging threat environments since 9/11, as foreign terrorist organizations exploit the internet to inspire, enable or direct individuals already here in the homeland to commit terrorist acts," reads the bulletin.

The National Terrorism Advisory System bulletin, which replaced the old color-coded system, is used to give the public and local law enforcement a summary about ongoing and potentially new terror threats.

"The current bulletin introduces unmanned aircraft systems as potential threats and highlights sustained concern regarding threats against commercial aviation and air cargo," said DHS acting press secretary Tyler Houlton in a statement.

There's been an "uptick in terrorist interest" in using unmanned aerial systems as weapons in the United States and other western countries, according to a senior DHS official.

These tactics have been used by terrorists on the battlefield, and the department wants to "guard against those tactics being exported to the west," said the official.

The official said that DHS wants to be "forward leaning" about seeing what terrorists are doing overseas and tactics they might adopt in the future.

Since the last bulletin, concerns about terrorist targeting aviation sector have grown, said the official.

"[T]errorists continue to target commercial aviation and air cargo, including with concealed explosives," reads the updated bulletin.

DHS has been implementing wide-ranging security measures for all airports and airlines that fly directly to the U.S. In June, the administration announced "enhanced screening" of passengers and their electronic devices, as well as "seen and unseen" security around the aircraft and inside the airport.

Terrorists still see "aviation as the crown jewel target," said former DHS Secretary John Kelly, now the president's cheif of staff, at the time of the announcement.

The measures, which are being rolled out in phases, are aimed at detecting concealed explosives, insider threats and identifying suspicious passengers.

Current acting DHS Secretary Elaine Duke has been urging countries to adopt these measures on all flights, not just those that are direct to the U.S., according to a DHS official.

The new bulletin also warns of the use of "poisons or toxins," which the DHS official says there has been increased chatter about in the terror realm.

The "big picture" is that the homeland security fight is shifting, said the senior DHS official. The department's response to the terror threat is adapting as ISIS is close to defeat in safe havens, but continues to have branches and affiliates around the world, according to DHS.

DHS is focused on the next phase of the fight, according to the senior DHS official.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2017, 03:44:39 PM »
DHS airport screening has been getting an almost continuous "black eye" from their own test crews.
The testers' fake knives, guns, and explosives regularly get through the TSA screening equipment and personnel.
One wonders what real stuff is also getting through...and why there hasn't been a recent disaster.
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2017, 04:36:03 PM »
But then, when did a bureaucrat ever think to adopt a simple solution to anything?

Come on Steve . . . . Unless there is money to be made and donations to my re-election are first in line then, and only then will something get done.
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2017, 05:23:57 PM »
Yup.
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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2017, 12:50:35 PM »
Pertinent:  http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/11/21/uc-berkeley-professor-s-slaughterbots-video-on-killer-drones-goes-viral.html

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UC Berkeley professor’s ‘slaughterbots’ video on killer drones goes viral
By Lukas Mikelionis   | Fox News
 
A UC Berkeley computer science professor helped to create a video that imagined a world where nuclear weapons were replaced by swarms of autonomous tiny drones that could kill half a city and are virtually unstoppable.

Stuart Russell, the professor, said these drones are already a reality.

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The video takes the viewer to an auditorium where a speaker showcases a drone roughly the size of a mockingbird. At one point the drone lands on his hand, the speaker quickly recalibrates it and then throws it out into the audience again. After a few seconds, the small drone turns back to the stage and crashes into the forehead of a dummy standing off to the left of the speaker.

The demonstration was meant to show how a palm-sized drone is capable of penetrating a human’s skull and destroying “the contents" inside.

The video was released earlier this month by the Future of Life Institute, which is backed by Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk. It was presented by Russell at a United Nations Convention on Conventional Weapons in Geneva, according to The Mercury News.

“Trained as a team, [the drones] can penetrate buildings, cars, trains, all while having the capacity to evade any countermeasure. They cannot be stopped,” the speaker told the audience in the video.

He noted that “a $25 million order” can now buy a swarm of such tiny “slaughterbots” that could kill half a city.

Russell said that although A.I.’s “potential to benefit humanity is enormous, even in defense,” allowing the widespread use of machines that “choose to kill humans will be devastating to our security and freedom.”

“Thousands of my fellow researchers agree. But the window to act is closing fast,” he said.

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Re: Well you knew that someone, some place would make it happen.
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2017, 03:22:36 PM »
As long as money is involved there really is no defense.
Laws are really nothing but a piece of paper that money can go right through or around, depending on your point of view.
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