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Blade Runner?
People in Los Angeles are uncomfortable with drones in the hands of Big Brother:

LAPD Board Could Approve Controversial Drone Program Tuesday
October 17, 2017 4:05 AM

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) – The civilian panel that oversees the Los Angeles Police Department will consider approving a drone pilot program Tuesday — several months after the department first presented what it called a limited plan to use the technology.

Approval of the program would come despite opposition from activists who consider the technology a threat to civil liberties, and after only 6 percent of the 1,675 emails the department received about the program were in support of it.

The Los Angeles Board of Police Commissioners held a meeting two weeks ago, when it approved the guidelines for the 1-year pilot program. Now, after posting the guidelines on the department’s website for two weeks and receiving more public feedback, the board is scheduled to vote on its final approval.

The commission first heard a presentation on the guidelines for the proposed LAPD program in August, and the department held four public meetings to get feedback.

A pair of Draganflyer X6 drones were given to the LAPD by Seattle in 2014, but they have never been deployed. Police Chief Charlie Beck said at the time that the drones could be used during tactical events such as manhunts and standoffs. But he also said the department planned to work closely with the American Civil Liberties Union to ensure the drones would not infringe on individual privacy rights.

The LAPD’s pursuit of a pilot program is a reversal of its policy after it abandoned the idea of using drones three years ago in the face of protests from activists.

According to the guidelines the LAPD commission approved, drones would be used in a limited capacity, including high-risk tactical operations, barricaded armed suspect responses, hostage rescues, and situations involving threats of exposure to hazardous materials and the need to detect explosive devices.

The drones would not be weaponized or used during surveillance, and their use would have be approved on a case-by-case basis.

The Los Angeles City Council cleared the way in June for the city’s fire department to begin using drones. A Los Angeles Fire Department report addressed the issue of privacy concerns and said the devices would not be used to monitor or provide surveillance for law enforcement.

In July, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Civilian Oversight Commission voted 5-4 to call for the grounding of the LASD’s drone program, although Sheriff Jim McDonnell said the program would continue.

Members of the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition, the Drone-Free LAPD/No Drones, LA! Campaign, the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California and other civil rights organizations have been vocal about their opposition to the program over concerns that “mission creep” will lead to the devices one day being armed or used for surveillance to infringe on privacy rights.

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Joke Of The Day / Re: A Guy Walks Into a Bar. . .
« Last post by SapperSteel on October 17, 2017, 11:18:29 AM »

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That's useful, real-life data derived from real-flesh tests similar to the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde experiments, and producing very similar results.
It is good to be reminded, occasionally, that the work that was done by the thinkers and experimenters in the years gone by still present valid guidance, useful to us today.
Another article pertinent to the topic of this thread, though it's short on  quantification it does address tissue penetration in comparison to gelatin penetration:

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General CCW Related Discussion Forum / Re: An Example of Why People CCW
« Last post by SapperSteel on October 13, 2017, 06:51:41 PM »
Lesson remains the same, to wit:  ALWAYS BE ARMED.  URL:

Exclusive: Grandmother who thwarts kidnapper says she told him don’t move or I’ll shoot

[Go to URL to view video] Kidnapping victim uses gun to escape

MOLINE- A pistol-packing grandmother says she kept her cool and waited for the right moment to pull her gun on a kidnapper with a knife.

"The grace of God is what saved me, and the sense to have calm, and have my weapon, " said Diane McIntire, of Missouri.

McIntire says she pulled up in the parking lot of Southpark Mall in Moline last Sunday to buy vitamins, when a man who appeared to be waiting for a bus, suddenly appeared with a knife at the driver's side door.

"It was a large butcher knife, I did not even see it at first, that's how quickly he was in my space. I kicked him in his chest, pushed him back, I felt the knife cut right below my elbow," said McIntire, a former Quad Citian who was visiting family over the weekend.

McIntire would need 24 stitches to close the wound.

She says the man, identified by police as 61-year-old Floyd May, forced her to drive her truck down Old Route 2, and during the 20 minute trip, threw her cellphone out the car window.

She said at one point he grabbed an old shirt from the back of her truck, and tied it around her bleeding arm.

"He apologized for the cut in my arm," she said.

"He also said I know you can identify me. I know it's kidnapping."

What he didn't know, is that she had a concealed carry permit. And, a Glock 380 handgun in the console of her truck.

When May told her to pull into a gravel lot in rural Port Byron, she knew she had to make her move.

"I knew I would live or die right there. He did tell me in the drive, if the police come up behind us, that we were both going to die that day," she said.

So, when May became distracted, she went for it.

"He got out of the truck and the butcher knife fell onto the ground and he got out to pick up the knife, I opened the console and grabbed my pistol. I went ahead and got out of the truck. I had the gun at his chest, and I told him do not come near me," she recalled.

"I said, if you come near, me, I'm going to shoot you."

She says May retreated to a house, and she took off in her truck. She drove herself to a hospital, and called police.

"I didn't want to take a human life, if I didn't have to. If he took one more step toward me, my finger was already squeezing the trigger, and yes, I would have shot him. There's no doubt in my mind," she said.

McIntire said she remained calm during the drive, and kept the conversation going, as scary as it was.

"He said he had just "got out", I believe it was a mental institution, and he'd been living under a bridge for the past two weeks. And, he told me he did prison time and stabbed a man in prison," she said.

May is in the Rock Island County Jail on $555,000 bond. He's charged with several felonies, including aggravated kidnapping and aggravated battery.

McIntire, is a wife, mother of 3, and grandmother of 11. She has had a conceal carry permit for about 3 years.

"I have a family, I have a life. I want to live. I have grandchildren. My thought at that point, was to live to see another day,"she said.

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Joke Of The Day / Quotes
« Last post by SapperSteel on October 12, 2017, 12:08:57 PM »
Sometimes, when I look at my children, I say to myself, 'Lillian, you should have remained a virgin.'
- Lillian Carter (mother of Jimmy Carter)


I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalogue: - 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall.'
- Eleanor Roosevelt


Last week, I stated this woman was the ugliest woman I had ever seen.
I have since been visited by her sister, and now wish to withdraw that statement.
- Mark Twain


The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending; and to have the two as close together as possible.
- George Burns


Santa Claus has the right idea. Visit people only once a year.
- Victor Borge


Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.

- Mark Twain


By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.
- Socrates


I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.
- Groucho Marx


My wife has a slight impediment in her speech. Every now and then she stops to breathe
- Jimmy Durante


I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back.
- Zsa Zsa Gabor


Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
- Alex Levine


My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying.
- Rodney Dangerfield


Money can't buy you happiness .... But it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery.
- Spike Milligan


Until I was thirteen, I thought my name was SHUT UP.
- Joe Namath


I don't feel old. I don't feel anything until noon. Then it's time for my nap.
- Bob Hope


I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it.
- W. C. Fields


We could certainly slow the aging process down if it had to work its way through Congress
- Will Rogers


Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill


Maybe it's true that life begins at fifty, but everything else starts to wear out, fall out, or spread out.
- Phyllis Diller


By the time a man is wise enough to watch his step, he's too old to go anywhere.
- Billy Crystal


The cardiologist's diet: if it tastes good spit it out.
- Unknown attribution
Drones for child molestation?  Report is at this URL:

Couple says voice from drone tried to lure children away from Akron school playground
Published: October 11, 2017 - 10:19 AM | Updated: October 11, 2017 - 6:57 PM

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By Theresa Cottom
Beacon Journal staff writer

Since Monday, an Akron couple hasn’t seen the mysterious white drone flying over their house in the city’s Ellet neighborhood.

But just last week, they said a drone was trying to lure children — including their own — off of the playground at Windemere Community Learning Center, right next to their home.

Now, Akron Public Schools is warning parents about the possible suspicious drone flying around the school.

Windemere Principal Megan Lee-Wilfong sent a letter to families Monday saying a neighbor had reported a drone with “voice technology” talking to children who were playing on school grounds in the evenings and over the weekend.

“If you are allowing your child to come to school to play in the evenings or on the weekends, please make sure that he/she is accompanied by an adult. I know that children playing at school would seem safe, but without adequate adult supervision, anything can happen,” Lee-Wilfong wrote in the letter.

Lois and Michael M. — who didn’t want their last name printed for privacy reasons — said they reported the incident.

Michael M. said his kids are at the playground nearly every day. Two weeks ago, his two 13-year-old sons, Gavin and Jacen, said they started seeing a small white drone flying over the playground.

The kids said the drone talked to them in a computerized voice from what looked like a built-in speaker.

“It keeps saying ‘hey’ until you reply,” Jacen said.

The drone showed up sporadically above the playground multiple times two weeks ago. But last week, Gavin and Jacen said they saw the drone with their friends every day in the evening. Michael and Lois M. said they heard it, too.

Gavin and Jacen said their friends said “what” back to the drone, and the drone told them to follow it.

Michael M. said one of the children actually did. The child, one of Gavin’s and Jacen’s friends, started following the drone down the street to Dollar Tree, where the drone voice said it was going.

Michael M. said the child’s father happened to see him walking down the street and stopped the child before he got to Dollar Tree.

“He got lucky,” Michael M. said. “Who knows where he would be right now.”

After that, Michael and Lois M. reported the incident to the school on Friday. Lois said Lee-Wilfong “moved really quick,” addressing the issue when the school opened on Monday.

Schools spokesman Mark Williamson stressed that the drone has not been spotted during school hours and school officials have not seen it.

Akron police spokesman Rick Edwards said police haven’t received any complaints about a drone acting suspicious or talking to children near the school.

He urged people to contact authorities if they see a drone acting suspicious, but also noted that it’s not illegal to fly drones.

Beacon Journal staff writer Rick Armon contributed to this report. Theresa Cottom can be reached at 330-996-3216 or Follow her on Twitter @Theresa_Cottom.

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Joke Of The Day / Re: I'm so old, . . .
« Last post by SapperSteel on October 09, 2017, 08:32:21 PM »
I was talking a couple of weeks ago with a guy that owns a ranch a few miles north of my place.  He recently bought a bull, but he complained to me that “All that bull does is eat grass. Won’t even look at a cow.”

“Take him to the vet,” I suggested.

I saw him again today.  He's much happier. He told me “The vet gave him some pills, and the bull serviced all of my cows!  Then he broke through the fence and bred with all my neighbor’s cows! He’s like a machine!”

“Really?  What kind of pills were they?” I asked the friend.

“I don’t know," he said.  "But they’ve got a peppermint taste.”

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Ballistics and Ammunition / Re: Record Ammo Imports
« Last post by SapperSteel on October 05, 2017, 08:46:42 PM »
. . .Demand for both guns and ammo drops as panic buys diminish/disappear. . .

Under the Obama Administration it was an eight-year long almost constant "panic" environment for both ammunition and firearm procurement -- people who were afraid their 2A rights were on the edge were snapping up all the guns and ammo they could find, even at grossly inflated prices, creating artificial shortages and amazingly lucrative opportunities for gun and ammo manufacturers.  But under the Trump Administration, that's no longer the case.

Many predicted (see post above) that when a pro-2A administration was seated then gun and ammo manufacturers would face a tougher, less profitable, market.  Ironic, isn't it?  Well they were right, it's happening.  Here's an example:

Daniel Defense Lays Off Large Percentage of Its Workforce
Candice Horner
October 5, 2017

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Amid ongoing reports of deteriorating sales in the black rifle market, firearms manufacturer Daniel Defense laid off an undisclosed number of employees. According to conversations with those affected and social media posts, on Friday, Sept. 29 and Monday, Oct. 2., the firearms manufacturer eliminated approximately 100 full-time positions.

A former employee of Daniel Defense affected by the layoffs said, “This was very unexpected. All of us were handed a blanket packet that explained everything. The paperwork didn’t even have my name on it. All they said about my job was that my position was being eliminated. There was no severance package, we were just fired.”

The scope of the layoff is unknown, but firsthand sources including current and recently laid off employees speaking under the condition of anonymity said anywhere from a third to a half of the company’s workforce was affected.

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Speaking about the terms of employment at Daniel Defense and the layoff, one laid off employee said, “We all had to sign a non-compete. I think the non-compete I signed was for 2 years. The outgoing talk and paperwork didn’t specify the non-compete being lifted. It’s unfortunate for a lot of people who don’t have skills outside of the industry.” A post-termination non-compete agreement is used to prevent employees from working for a competing company for a certain amount of time, as stipulated in the language of the non-compete agreement.

When asked about the existence of the post-termination non-compete agreement, the terms, and whether it will be enforced, officials from Daniel Defense refused the opportunity to comment.

The layoff occurs as Daniel Defense is moving into a newly built 300,000 square-foot facility on the same road as its existing facility in Black Creek, GA. According to news reports, the company plans to combine its Black Creek, GA and Ridgeland, SC plants, consolidating production under one roof.
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Currently, Daniel Defense manufactures most firearms in their Ridgeland facility, while executive operations are run from the Black Creek location. Marty Daniel, president, CEO and founder of Daniel Defense, talks about the growth of the company in a recent video showing footage of the new facility.

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Daniel Defense is one the largest privately-owned firearms manufacturers in the United States. In a February 2017 interview with Marty Daniel, Forbes cited Daniel Defense as a company with “$73 million in 2016 sales, a gross profit of 35% and 279 employees.” Daniel Defense is most well-known for its AR platform rifles and its lightweight rails.

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This year, Daniel Defense ventured into NASCAR by partnering with Richard Childress Racing Series Team. Daniel himself has shown his support for the Second Amendment by contributing to the NRA and putting out a call to action before the 2016 Presidential Election.

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At press time, officials from Daniel Defense declined multiple opportunities to comment on this report.

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